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(Second editorial note: Cougfan dropped a blurb here  with Moos comments on WSU v. Oregon at Qwest. It pretty much syncs up with what we've been hearing. To add some color, WSU and First and Goal have a solid framework for the game and how it would work. Oregon is quite aware of it and some of the details. They are just waiting for an AD to really start to close on the idea. Also, we noted below that 2011 is the "earliest humanly possible" date and it's still in the mix as a possibility. It was the first time we'd heard him say that Oregon State is a consideration as well. Awesome idea. We are big fans of either scenario but the Beavers would be potentially more compelling year in and year out if the finances could work the same.)
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(Editorial note: Thanks to CougCenter for linking this article. One point of clarification. I note "next year" as the possible timing. That's not clear enough. It would NOT be "this year" as in 2010. Earliest humanly possible scenario would be 2011.....that's what I meant by next year. Also, a good note from Nuss highlighting that this is not us "breaking" news for you. It's a very likely scenario we are hearing quite a lot the past few weeks and fun for all of us to discuss.)
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Things are beginning to solidify around the Seattle game and it's looking like the Northwest is could get it's own version of the Red River Shootout. It would probably be more appropriate to call it similar to The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party. It is the Cougs after all and it's looking like it won't be primary rivals playing each other like you see when Texas vs. Oklahoma meet in Dallas.
How does the idea of WSU versus Oregon annually meeting up in Seattle strike you? Imagine a scenario where half of the Qwest field stands are covered in green while the other half is covered in crimson. Imagine a packed house of 70,000 crazed fans playing a game of verbal seesaw every single play. Imagine bars in Pioneer Square split down the middle going back and forth between the Oregon fight song and the WSU fight song. It could be an absolutely amazing fan experience that only a few lucky schools get to experience. It's far from a done deal but we're comfortable writing about WSU v. Oregon in Seattle as very likely to happen and possibly as soon as next season.
Let's look at why this makes sense:
1) Fan experience- You don't have any clown AD's (read: Scooter Woodward at UW) demanding a disproportionate number of seats. The scenario would split Qwest right down the middle every year. It would be a true neutral environment in a location equidistant from both campuses. You have to figure that it would be a slight advantage to WSU if you assume that most locals attending the game would default to rooting for the Cougars . This will be a very high demand ticket for both schools. In our worst seasons at Qwest we've still sold around 35K seats. This ticket would be closer to the first game we played at Qwest where we brought more than 60K Cougs to the game. Oregon won't have any issues selling their allotment either. This will have stadium appeal for national television as well with a raucous crowd in a sold-out stadium against two programs that don't like each other very much. The recipe is there for a tremendous setting.
2) Money- The Apple Cup proposal would have given WSU and UW more than $1.5 million dollars a school each season. This game won't approach that number but it will be within shouting distance. Think along the lines of $1 million dollars to each school every year. This would immediately become one of WSU's bigger revenue and exposure generators for the athletic department. Last season, the Notre Dame game brought us around that sum and it was pretty close to a body bag game. This would be a true neutral site game in the city where we have 60K alumni living and working. Win/win in terms of money and crowd support for the Cougs.
3) Trickle down to OOC games- There are two other huge benefits for WSU in the scheduling department. It would eliminate the need to schedule an OOC body bag game with no return home game. In other words, we won't need to travel to Tennessee or Michigan with no return guarantee because we need the money. That frees up OOC slots to schedule more winnable games that would take us closer to a bowl game . Moreover, it would free up money to pay for OOC games that we could bring to Pullman. We probably aren't going to convince Georgia to fly to Pullman any time soon but even if we take just $500K of that payout and offer it up as part of a home and home contract you are immediately in the conversation with middle class schools at other BCS conferences. Would you be excited about playing someone like a North Carolina or Kansas State in Pullman and then travelling to Chapel Hill or Manhattan the following year? A bigger opponent like that in Pullman would also be a nice story for local businesses that would probably cry about losing the business an Oregon game in Pullman would bring. More winnable out of conference games with bigger opponents in Pullman? Great scenario for WSU in both regards.
4) First and Goal, Inc.- Cultivating a relationship with Paul Allen is important to WSU. He hasn't been enthusiastic about supporting WSU athletics in the past. The company that runs Qwest field scheduling is a Paul Allen company. It certainly can't hurt to have Bill Moos partnered with a Paul Allen company to bring him some business and an extra date where Qwest is filled to the rafters with people buying beers and hot dogs. It's not going to turn on the Paul Allen cash machine for WSU but it's a good opportunity to bring the two parties together. Wouldn't it be nice to see Bill Moos and Paul Allen in a Qwest Field suite watching the game together with other WSU donors?
I've been a big fan of the idea for a long time but I've always preferred to bring Oregon State to Qwest on an annual basis. I'm fine with Oregon. It probably brings us more cash and it eliminates the need to travel to Eugene for a game every other year. It brings cash to school and provides us a presence on the west side where a lot of the alumni base and cash resides. Amping up the opponent here also makes it an immediate national television candidate for ESPN and ABC. I can only imagine what a night game at Qwest televised nationally on ESPN would do for excitement in the Northwest and for our fan base. We should all root for this to happen as quickly as possible.
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2) Oregon doesn't need money.
Even Oregon
2) Better likelihood of national exposure during vs. an opponent who doesn't usually get national exposure
3) Everyone needs money
On the political side of things....do you think Oregon would enjoy taking over the Huskies backyard for a weekend during football season?
Tilting and Nuss basically hit the nail on the head on why Oregon would look really hard at this.
"Qwest is filled to the rafters with people buying beers and hot dogs."
Do you think they would serve alcohol at this event? In the past, I thought that beer wasn't served at the Qwest field games!
I shudder to think about how it would be in the stands though if beer was being sold.
But no way is Oregon giving up it's game in Autzen. A home game versus either UW or WSU is a guaranteed party. Invite all your friends, it's time to run up the score and chuckle!
As for Qwest, of course Duckville won't move the game unless it beats going to Autzen. But they are looking at every year since Autzen would only be every other year. Amortized over a two year period and it makes sense. This is closer to happening then not though.
94 Duck, your line on the Pac-10 soul has merit in my mind. I LOVE the college atmosphere and Autzen is a crazy place to play. It is that intangible that makes college football so great. However, when schools are cutting staff and entire programs, all avenues are looked at and this would be a straight money play for both schools.
I nice thing would be taking over Seattle once a year with Coug-Duck fans which would REALLY irate the Doggies. That is very, very enticing.
A plausible idea is for the Cougs to stage their "event" at Quest every year vs. Oregon or OSU, whichever team is traveling to WSU that year. Allocate some number of tickets to the visiting school (30k-40k when the Ducks visit, 5k-10k when you entertain Bevur Nashun) to help the Cougs fill the stadium and create atmosphere.
The rest of the activities, beer drinking and fight song competitions in pubs, etc. will certainly occur spontaneously.
WSU hard up. UO not.GMBr
If this is seen as a panacea for WAZZOU, then they should consider moving their annual home game each year, although the beevs might consider this annual plan, I wouldn't know. Just don't tell the local Pullman CoC.
This idea is not a win/win for Eugene & the UofO. EC Rules has painted a crimson colored vision from a very one sided/slanted view, & there's nothing wrong with that. However, enriching the Seattle economy every other year at the expense of a Duck home game is not a good idea. I am a Duck alum, but I do not live in either state, & have no personal economic interest, as in full disclosure.
There are several reasons this sentiment is absolutely ridiculous(season ticket holders shafted, extra travel, 9 game conference schedule already means 4 home 5 away games every other year) but we need not go beyond what has been stated numerous times: Oregon gives up a game at Autzen to play the irrelevant Cougs in Duck Hater Central??? Get the Hell out of here with that garbage!
Again, this whole idea is absolute nonsense. It's bad for Oregon's football team, it's bad for Oregon's fans, it's bad for the UO's bottom line, it's bad for the city of Eugene(hotels/malls/restaurants/etc).
I'm trying not to be too harsh here, but come on man, this is just off the hook ridiculous.
1) Money. Do you think that Bill Moos knows how much money you all make on a football home weekend? I'm pretty sure Moos was a Duck Athletic Director for more than a decade. Would he put a package together and expect an Oregon AD to agree to anything that wouldn't be a significant increase? Relax. I doubt you'd screw yourselves and everyone gets the value of a home Oregon weekend. The key is looking at the two year revenue mix. Home and away revenue. You only get about 300K when you visit Pullman. So, even the most generous estimates (like your guy above) put that at 3.5 million over two years to play us. What if the deal was 5 million to Oregon over two years? You still make a crapload of money. No one knows what the deal terms would be and all the things you list are obviously going to have to be considered. But to say that it's not doable because your one home weekend every two years would outweigh two years at a sold-out Qwest is ludicrous. Wait until the money details come out. I doubt that Oregon or WSU AD's would cut a bad deal for their school.
2) Giving up home field. So, what is it. Just about every single Duck on this thread has felt it necessary to disparage WSU's program. Why the need for home field then? Wouldn't it make sense to use the game as a platform to expand market reach similar to what Notre Dame is doing with their neutral site games? I've always said this is more like The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party (Florida v. Georgia) in which it's a getting together of geographical rivals. You undervalue the incredible atmosphere of 75K people split 50/50 in a game would make. It might just make for a lot of fun for fans every year on both sides of the fence.
3) Giving up a home game. Where is it said that Oregon would have one fewer home game? WSU has to overcome the same situation with it's local constiutents and they are in a much worse position because their operating budget it lower than Oregon's. If you move this to neutral site every year you simply take that money and spend it on either a bodybag game you play at Autzen every year or spend it on a home/home with a marquee school. There is nothing that says both schools can't just schedule an additional home game out of conference when the Pac-10 rotation has you short one home game. I'm assuming that it's not about playing WSU at Autzen as you all clearly think the status of our team renders that unnecessary to win.
4) Season ticket holders will be ticked. Again, same answer as above. If you have the same amount of home games and sub out WSU for Texas A&M what is there to be upset about? What if Oregon negotiated preferred seating for their season tickets holders up at Qwest? There is a creative solution and to dismiss it out of hand is just reacting emotionally.
5) Oregon OR WSU footprint in Seattle. Like it or not, Seattle is the single most important city in the Northwest. It holds the bulk of our schools alumni and many influential givers. You underestimate the value of presence there.
Just look at your own alumni association in King County.
http://uoalumni.com/s/1202/index.aspx?sid=1202&gid=1&pgid=388
It's also the single most important recruiting area in the Northwest. How many players from King/Pierce/Snohomish County are you recruiting this year? It would only take ONE game of those kids standing on the Duck sidelines watching that sort of neutral site game in their backyard to understand that they could play one game a season in their own backyard and not feel like the enemy.
Obviously, there is ground to cover but your responses are either ill informed or rash. There is a creative solution here that satisfies the needs of both schools and alumni. We don't have to be hated rivals to make it work. Going to a football can be fun without having to hate the people wearing the colors of the other school. It could be a giant party all weekend that both alumni bases enjoy. I know I have plenty of Duck friends that I wouldn't need to fight to enjoy drinking with.
If WSU wants to play THEIR home game at Qwest, then sign us up.
Otherwise, this is beyond a pipe dream. It is flat ignorant.
I answered exactly how it would make sense fiscally for both teams.
If you can't understand what's being written then there is no point in debating further.
What is Bill Moos going to do to make up for 20k ticket sales and all of the other money generated by a home game, wave his magic wand? Do you REALLY think Oregon/WSU is going to get a National TV broadcast? You keep mentioning the Cocktail Party and RRS, as if those 2 contests would be ANYTHING like Oregon/WSU. The sentiment is a joke. UGA/UF and OU/UT are 4 of the biggest, oldest and most successful teams and rivalries in all of college football(not to mention the markets). Nobody gives a rats ass about Oregon vs WSU except WSU.
Your suggestion that Oregon can just up and add another home game like scheduling is no big deal is just plain ignorant. Schedules are set years in advance. Home and homes don't always happen in back to back years. There is ZERO way to guarantee that Oregon wouldn't lose a home game. What if that happens during Oregon's 4 home 5 away conference schedule? That becomes 3-6. What if Oregon already has 1 OOC game scheduled on the road? Now we're talking 5 home games and 7 road games?? I'm sure your response will involve Oregon dropping or rescheduling. Again, all that to lose money and lose a home game just to play WSU in Seattle?
The concept is LAUGHABLE. WSU is in the position of financial and recruiting weakness, not Oregon. Oregon has next to zero reason to do this, and TONS of reasons not to. The sooner you grasp this, the sooner you will stop looking like an idiot.
Now if WSU gives up THEIR home game to play at Qwest, then sign us up. Otherwise, just stop with this nonsense.
One poster outlined that we are wearing Crimson-colored glasses. As much as it is entertaining to banter with Duck fans (we did the same with Beaver fans a little while back), please note that this is a Coug website. So OF COURSE the "bias" will be Coug-based. Feel free to keep dropping playground tantrums on this site but I would maybe target your Ducky boards for that.
Okay, enough pettiness. Back on topic....this move makes a lot of sense and I hope it happens! I am excited about the creativity that Moos is bringing to the school. It's about time we try different avenues.
If you look at the money on a two year basis then it more than makes up for ONE home game and road game in Pullman. YOU ONLY GET PAID ABOUT 300K A GAME WHEN YOU PLAY AT MARTIN. Is it clicking in now?
Scheduling works in two phases. Long term contracts and then near term gap filling. For instance, we have had a home and home with UNLV on the books for years now. We only scheduled a home and home with SMU at the last minute. Scheduling changes to assure continuity in your annual schedule happen ALL THE TIME. To say that you book a schedule for a given season and then don't touch it for years is asinine.
I appreciate the pathetic attempt at disparaging WSU once again around the rivalry. I would just say this. Rivalries are built over the long term and you can have more than one. It really is OK. I don't care nearly as much about Oregon as I do UW or Oregon State but I'm more than happy to say that a game with the Ducks means more than ASU or UofA. A lack of vision is the guy that sits back and thinks that WSU v. UO can't grow into a meaningful and really entertaining NATIONAL game if you invest in the experience as partners. I'm sure some clown in Florida was saying the same thing and probably still is about Georgia.
It's obviousy why WSU would want to leave Pullman, but for Oregon to skip a game at Autzen, one of THE very best home field advantages in the entire nation?!? Not a chance. Not one iota. This is why it is ridiculous for you to continue espousing this idea.
Again, if WSU plays THEIR home game in Seattle? Great. Good for both teams. Otherwise, you really need to get off this stinking dead horse.
Go post this on some other boards. You will get your ass laughed off.
If you actually read the article with any care you would have seen that the most likely target is 2012 and that is actually when we are scheduled to host you guys. You wouldn't have to adjust your home schedule until 2013. It might just be a two year contract to see how this goes. You think Oregon would have trouble filling one slot in 2013? Clearly, you are blinded with emotion and unable to actually reason through this but even you has to see that wouldn't be a huge issue.
Finally, you just got done telling us that we blow and that there is no rivalry and then you turn around and say that you don't want to give up home field advantage to play us? That's called circular logic Stan.